If the church is wrong, people waste a lot of time on the Mormon church

Reasons to agree

1. Mormons spend 3 hours on Sunday in a church. They could be having fun instead. They could be water skiing, hanging out with people that they choose, doing things with family.
2. Mormon missionaries waste two of their best years on a mission.
3. At the Mormon church you hear the same things over and over again. People can't help it. They raise their hands, and you hear the fist word out of their mouth, and you know exactly what they are going to say...
4. It is true that time spent is service is not wasted, but not much time in the Mormon church could be considered true service from a secular perspective... Building up the kingdom of god, presupposes it truly is the kingdom of God... Sure visiting the lonely is good, but most meetings are all spent trying to get people baptized, going to their meetings, and things that have not eternal consequence unless the Chruch is 100% true, or mostly true. 

Reasons to agree

1. Waste is loaded word. Sure, if the church is wrong, people do waste a lot of time.

It was petty of God to send bears to kill youths that made fun of Elijah: Score -3

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1. You can believe that the Old Testament was mostly inspired, but not believe every story. 
2. Short stories don't tell every detail. You shouldn't judge the God of the Old Testament from one short story without knowing all the detail. It is better to focus on all the stories, and try to get a general direction.
3. This story was probably exaggerated over the years, so that it no longer relates what really happened. The moral is to not make fun of religious leaders, but well intended translators over the years probably oversimplified the story, so that the story sounds unjust to our more sensitive ears. 

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The LDS church is fond of saying that "no success can compensate for failure in the home". 



A home is a house with love. A house is made up of many components, and so is love. 



I propose that no success can compensate for failure in the bedroom. However this belief can often lead to performance anxiety, which all goes to the larger issue of how you define success...



But lets expand the analogy. What other rooms are their in a house? Very hungry Mormons believe that no success can compensate for failure in the kitchen. 

Our toilet plunger can attest that no other success can compensate for failure in the bathroom...


The church has been very successful at keeping many facts in the closet, but less successful at keeping people in the closet.  



Of course what they mean is no success can compensate for failure with your family. But does passing around sayings like this make anyone's life better? Do people really decide to succeed at work, or politics instead of succeeding at home? Or are some people just bad at one aspect of their lives, and good at another? Or are people who succeed in work, more likely to succeed at home? 


All in all, if our income providers didn't succeed outside of the home, we wouldn't have a home, which sort of renders the whole argument pointless. 


As far as individuals are concerned, many Bill Clinton supporters would disagree with the conclusion. That he did a lot to help the world, and that he would like to be judged for his life in general, not just the way his relationship with his wife worked out. Who knows what went wrong their? Was she just not into succeeding in the bedroom with him, or he with her? Do they like each other? Did they succeed? Not in the Mormon sense of the word, in that they were not faithful. But the Mormons are right, as a whole. Many societal problems as a whole can be caused by the family falling apart. But is it a matter of compensation? Do people really choose success outside of the family and therefore they have failure in the family. I don't think so. It wasn't Clinton's desire for success in politics that hurt his family, it was his desire to have success with other women... 



Good church leaders will point out that success at church can not, and should not, compete with success at home. But if the real goal is choosing success at home, by spending more time there, instead of success at work, why are young fathers asked to spend 8 hours at church on Sunday away from their family? 



I know, I know, your trying to do the whole it takes a village thing, sometimes it doesn't work. 


I know its not 100% true, if you define truth as the way I was told it was. But the 3 witnesses never denied it. Did my ancestors see something in Kirkland? 

Is any of it true? Maybe its not "true" but it has a good system of promoting only charity minded people, willing to make sacrifices for the community, and able to succeed in business and in the home. Maybe it is good, even if its not true. No. Things that aren't what they say they are, are not of God. But nothing is what it says it is. But maybe I don't care. All I want is success. I want to have success, personally, and with my family. And I want them to find success. I want what everyone wants. I want what the church wants, even if they make nonsensical weird sayings that I don't want to carry around as truisms anymore to describe the particular success that they want.